Sometimes I like Bill O’Reilly on Fox and some times I don’t. I like it when he says he is looking out for the folks and he doesn’t allow his guests to spin the topic regardless of facts.
I don’t like him when he discusses matters of faith and religion with someone. I suspect his book “Killing Jesus” which he markets as pure history has something to do with his willingness to discuss matters of faith. Such was the case when he recently had a female, liberal Catholic professor from Notre Dame on his program.
O’Reilly claims that his book Killing Jesus is not doctrinal, just factual history. The professor accused O’Reilly of cherry picking his facts to make her argument that Jesus was a socialist (and advocated free health care) and that the rich were obligated to sell all their possessions and distribute them to the poor. She said that a failure to do so would result in eternal damnation for the rich. The woman is supposed to be Catholic theologian so that was quite the statement!
O’Reilly responded by telling her she was misreading the gospel and that if she really believed that she was a loon. O’Reilly also said she should not take the parable literally but agreed with her that in general Jesus did care for the poor (and advocated charity). You can read about it here.
So, why don’t I like it when O’Reilly wades into matters of faith?
The O’Reilly Show makes for good political theater. The show is part serious and part entertaining. The time allotment for each guest is short, forcing the guest and O’Reilly to be succinct and marshal their arguments in summary form. The theater comes in when most guests evade the question and attempt to “spin” the subject. By and large, it’s a formula that works and usually O’Reilly’s arguments are far more cogent and to the point than the guests.
The format does not work so much when matters of faith are discussed. O’Reilly’s argument with the liberal Catholic professor (O’Reilly is Catholic as well) is a good case in point.
The text they apparently were discussing (without directly referring to it) was Luke 18:18-30. (Also found in Matt. 19:16-30; Mark 10:17-31)
And a ruler asked him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone. You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery, Do not murder, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother.’” And he said, “All these I have kept from my youth.” When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “One thing you still lack. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” But when he heard these things, he became very sad, for he was extremely rich. Jesus, seeing that he had become sad, said, “How difficult it is for those who have wealth to enter the kingdom of God! For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.” Those who heard it said, “Then who can be saved?” But he said, “What is impossible with man is possible with God.” And Peter said, “See, we have left our homes and followed you.” And he said to them, “Truly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or wife or brothers or parents or children, for the sake of the kingdom of God, who will not receive many times more in this time, and in the age to come eternal life.” (Luke 18:18-30 ESV)
O’Reilly’s encounter with the liberal Catholic professor moved from a general argument that Jesus was a socialist that advocated free health care to O’Reilly’s generalization that she misunderstood the gospel and that parables should not be taken literally. Their discussion centered on the above text but neither quoted it accurately nor even referred to it in a specific way thus leaving the listener to choose between two interpretations of a text never worked through.
Since they were talking about matters of heaven and hell (which they both appeared to believe in) one would hope that they would at least discuss the text. I was left with the observation that neither one really knew what they were talking about with the liberal being the more guilty with her over-the-top agenda to make Jesus into some kind of collectivist.
First, the text implied in their discussion is not a parable. It really happened. O’Reilly is fond of saying that much of the Bible is allegory, meaning that the interpreter must look for a deeper meaning in a text rather than focusing on a literal meaning and a more obvious plain meaning. O’Reilly’s views seem to line up with a traditional Catholic method of interpretation dating to medieval times. The above text (also found in Matthew and Mark) are neither parable nor allegory. It’s Jesus teaching on salvation by answering a question presented to him by a young man with a lot of money.
The rich young ruler starts the dialogue by asking what he must do inherit eternal life?
Jesus answers the question with a question of his own then a statement. He says, “why do you call me good, there is no one good except God.”
The question is rhetorical. Jesus does not pause for an answer.
The rich young ruler does not recognize Jesus as God, only as a good teacher. It would have been interesting if O’Reilly and his liberal guest would have dealt with this key question. Is Jesus God or merely a good teacher as the rich young ruler seemed to assume. I believe Jesus asked the question, why do you call me good in order to provoke the young man to ponder Jesus’ identity. Then as now, there could not be a more important question. There are consequences to believing that Jesus is just a good teacher just as there are consequences to be believing he is God.
Rather than wait for the rich young ruler to answer Jesus makes another statement. Jesus acknowledges that the man knows the commandments (law). Jesus mentions five specifically, “Do not commit adultery, Do not murder, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother.”
The rich young ruler replies that he has kept all the commandments (the ones mentioned and the ones not mentioned) since he was a boy.
Jesus does not debate the veracity of the young man’s statement that he had kept the law [in its entirety]. Instead he says, “One thing you still lack. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”
As a stand alone statement it appears that the liberal Catholic professor is on to something. Jesus clearly says that the rich young man lacks one thing. But what dies he lack?
Remember that the young man is commandment oriented. He goes so far as to say he has kept the commandments. Which commandment does Jesus point to that the young man has not kept? Which of the Ten Commandments commands a person to sell all that he has and distribute all of it to the poor?
Answer. None. See Exodus 20:1-17. The law given to Moses and known to Jews like the rich young ruler says nothing about selling all that one owns and giving it all to the poor.
Yet, Jesus tells him he should sell everything, give it to the poor and he will reap treasure in heaven. Then Jesus adds, “come follow me.”
In other words, will the rich young ruler be willing to give up all his earthly treasure in order to follow Jesus. Think back to Jesus’ first question and first statement, why do you call me good, no one is good but God.
If the rich young ruler recognizes that Jesus is God then he will give up everything and follow him. This is born out later in the passage when Peter wonders what the fate of those will be who have given up all to follow Jesus. Jesus assures Peter and the other disciples that following him is the key to eternal life and reward (vs 28-30).
The rich young ruler is fixated on the giving up riches part of Jesus’ statement rather than the invitation to follow Jesus at the end of the statement. The young man is interested in eternal life but is more interested in holding on to an earthly treasure. The man’s treasure is his god and not Jesus.
Jesus was speaking to an educated Jew who by his own words said he kept the commandments. But did he?
“You shall have no other gods before me. “(Exodus 20:3 ESV)
The young man has not even kept the first commandment much less the other nine. The young man’s god was his treasure. He loved it more than he loved God. O’Reilly and his professor guest did not breach the key issue and instead argued about moralisms and their own version of works righteousness. They both misunderstand the gospel.
Jesus notices that the young man has become sad and says, “How difficult it is for those who have wealth to enter the kingdom of God! For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.”
It’s a drop the bomb type of statement and again as a stand alone statement seems to say if only the young man would sell all and give it all to the poor he would go through the eye of the needle and enter the kingdom of God.
More often than not Jesus’ questions and comments are designed to provoke thought. The passage deals with how a person obtains salvation. Jesus has just demonstrated that salvation is not obtained by keeping the law. The rich young ruler stumbled where all stumble, having other gods in our lives that crowd out the true God.Those that genuinely follow Jesus and trust in him and his finished work on the cross “get” the main issue of the heart and that is putting away all forms of idolatry in order to follow Christ. In other words, you cannot worship your treasure and worship God at the same time (Matt. 6:24).
The disciples are mystified by Jesus’ comment on how difficult it is for the wealthy to enter the kingdom of heaven. The text does not go into this but the average Jew believed that wealth was a sign of God’s blessing due to the person’s ability to keep the law. The Pharisees were wealthy and if anyone was to be saved it would be them. Their question of who can be saved comes from that point of view. Jesus’ answer shatters their assumptions by answering, “What is impossible with man is possible with God.”
So, the rich can be saved because it is possible with God just as it is impossible with man. Why is it possible with God? Jesus does not say in the passage. He only says God can do it while man cannot. Among other things Jesus statement indicates the fruitless pursuit of works righteousness to inherit eternal life.
So, was Jesus a socialist or a capitalist? One thing is for certain, you can’t make either case from this passage.
- Jesus, Money, and Bill O’Reilly (collingarbarino.com)